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Post by RobertGraves on Dec 5, 2004 12:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by Aravis on Dec 5, 2004 15:57:05 GMT -5
This was a great article and articulates so well what I have been feeling about those who would try to regulate our sex lives, whatever our personal preferences may be. This is a movie that I have been wanting to see. Now even more so.
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Post by demgoddess on Dec 6, 2004 0:05:11 GMT -5
The "red-staters" quoted seem to place all the blame with Kinsey, making it seem as if someone else would not have eventually conducted a study on sex and forced the door open for the sexual revolution. Whether they like it or not, one thing that can never be restrained is human ingenuity.
Have any of you seen the film?
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Post by RobertGraves on Dec 6, 2004 2:31:31 GMT -5
It's not out here in Australia. I'm keen to see it though.
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Post by Arancaytar on Dec 6, 2004 6:26:50 GMT -5
Mh. Darwin discovers human relation to monkeys. Conservatives: "Darwin is evil". Freud theorizes an underlying conscience in humans, powered by sexual drives. Conservatives: "Freud is evil". Kinsey investigates sexual behaviour. Conservatives: "Kinsey is evil."
Does the term "ad hominem" ring any bells?
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Post by Wyndham on Dec 6, 2004 10:00:40 GMT -5
I always find the 'back to the moral past' argument a little odd. Wonder how much thought has actually been given to the nature of the past? I have a friend who researchs the social history of the Canadian Army in WWI. Here's a stat -- 25% VD rate a year, for troops in France. We were #1 -- not bad for a bunch of Anglican/Methodist tea-totalers from Ontario! On the other hand, I have read that Kinsey's research method was flawed. Apparently he interviewed most widely that proportion of the population to which he had easy access -- mostly people resident in an institutional setting (universities, prisons). Not surprisingly, therefore, he discovered an enormously higher incidence of some behaviours than even do researchers today. One that sticks in my mind was his estimate that 10% of the population is homosexual. You might think that if you interviewed mainly university undergrads and prison inmates. Apparently, at present, only something like 2% of the US population admits to having had a homosexual experience. Lots more like that. I guess he deserves high marks for bringing the thing out in the open; he didn't however invent sex. I'm pretty sure, as well, that the sexual revolution passed most of us by (me, anyway  ). |
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Post by Tenarke on Dec 9, 2004 16:48:01 GMT -5
The more things change, the more they remain the same. Sorry I can’t do this quote in its original French.
My age is showing again. I remember when the Kinsey report was first published. As you younger ones may have guessed, the religious right condemned the good doctor to the eternal rotisserie on that occasion just as they are doing now. Again just as now there were no real arguments attacking the truth of Dr. Kinsey’s finding but rather condemning the piety of confronting dogma with fact.
I did hear a phone in dialog on PBS radio about a month back when the movie was just coming out. There were some attempts to question the statistical validity of his study; sample size, interview technique and so forth, but nothing that was not easily answered.
I am surprised that there is still a fuss about this. Are we not yet able to accept the fact that there are physical expressions of love transcending heterosexual monogamy in the missionary position?
Guess not. There doesn’t seem to be any way to persuade the dogmatists of whatever stripe that reality is here – get used to it!
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Post by RobertGraves on Dec 22, 2004 14:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by Wyndham on Dec 22, 2004 16:23:42 GMT -5
Very curious. I'm wondering about the allegations of fondling -- is this just a search, tragically misunderstood? I'm thinking, if so, that a little cultural sensitivity training might be in order!
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Post by Tenarke on Dec 28, 2004 18:12:07 GMT -5
How interesting; quite an insight into the peace and security we have achieved in the “new” Afghanistan. Also note the adroit care with which we are winning hearts and minds.
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Post by RobertGraves on Jan 2, 2005 18:58:50 GMT -5
Sometimes I really hate - it's not a noble emotion but I really hate this type of lunacy:
Religious leaders debate God's role in tsunami
The tsunami disaster has sparked debate among religious leaders as to whether the destruction and loss of life was an act of God.
Anglican Dean of Sydney, Phillip Jensen, triggered the row after saying disasters are part of God's warning that judgment is coming.
The Anglican Bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsythe, has supported Dean Jensen's comments.
He says the Dean is simply following the example given by Jesus when he was asked the same question.
"Without explaining the disaster even Jesus drew people's attention to let the disasters be a warning to them of their own mortality and need to be right with God," he said.
"So at this point the Dean's comments are echoing the words of Jesus in Luke's Gospel, I think it is chapter 14."
Among other religious leaders, the president of the Hindu Council of Australia has stated he does not believe the disaster was a direct result of God's anger.
Jewish leader Rabbi Raymond Apple says rather than debating God's reasoning we should be concentrating on the relief effort.
Rabbi Apple says it is impossible to understand God's motives.
"I find the words 'acts of God' very difficult and almost blasphemous," he said.
"I know that it is used in legal terminology to describe something which you can't blame on human beings but whether you can actually blame such tragedies such as this on God in this sort of direct sense is highly questionable."
SOURCE: ABC JUST IN
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Post by RobertGraves on Jan 2, 2005 19:01:17 GMT -5
BTW I just swore 'sh*t' and the program modified my 'bad' word to 'nuts'. I changed it to 'lunacy'. I suggest you swear a lot to check out the ful range of euphemism on offer here.  |
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Post by RobertGraves on Jan 2, 2005 19:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by wordswordswords on Jan 2, 2005 20:40:59 GMT -5
At least the president of the Australian Hindu Council and the rabbi have said something sensible, it seems to me.
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Post by RobertGraves on Jan 2, 2005 20:53:36 GMT -5
Yes, and the Jewish guy seems especially dry.
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